Later

[Todd98]

Me & PG are done!

[Rand{CLR}]

Huh? :scratch:

Why?

-Rand

[Trooper110]

Ummmmmm. I'm confused? Done with what? The Lair? If so, why for?

[H0ly-H@nd-Gr3nade]

If this is any way related to the scrim, then this is just silly.

It was meant to have fun, not get frustrated and then eventually lose your head.

It isn't worth it.

:scratch:

[Trep]

What happened guys, I like to play with you two on HC?. :(

[K PhaNTOM]

WTF? So it's just me and Naillik? Have a heart and stay for God's sake... a lil explanation would really help :D

[{CLR} Major.Massacre]

:?Done with what Todd? Give me a call this morning bro. Remember if someone is being rude pm an admin. (im assuming it was a language issue) Please stick around, its not worth leaving the lair over a bunch of mouthpieces.:2thumbs:

[Jeffro]

:scratch::scratch:

whats the matta bro? i thought you had a good time last night?

[juneau]

I'm confused. :scratch: I noticed you getting a little worked up last night Todd. Surely you can't be quitting over a scrim?

[Tuck]

I was in the server early last night and everything seemed fine. I must have missed whatever took place. In any event, I hope Todd explains what the problem was so we can attempt to fix it.

[{CLR} Major.Massacre]

I was in the server early last night and everything seemed fine. I must have missed whatever took place. In any event, I hope Todd explains what the problem was so we can attempt to fix it.I just finished getting off the phone with todd. He was upset at the fact of having his post removed regarding last nights game. He felt last nights game was not fun due to the skill level of the opposing team and felt they were dishonest about their playing abilities. He never said they were cheating, he just was not having any fun(thats it). You cant put a clan of 24hr 7days a week pros against a bunch of part time weekend warriors and expect to do well.
Weve all gotten pissed off at one time or another when we get out butts handed to us. We need to realize that some people have all the time in the world to play or are just naturally good. While most of us have jobs, kids, mortgage, private school, trusts funds, mistrisses, daycare(I could go on) to worry about, while our love of gaming gets put on the backburner. The best thing i can say about this is when you get upset take a break. Your friends will still be there when you get back.

[K PhaNTOM]

Read this (http://www.cainslair.org/showthread.php?t=7164) bro, when we really played for the win, we WON. P.S. He is one of the best I've played with, for an old man he got fast reflexes, I hope i see him again...

[(DSP)-Bar]

Groups like this play for either money or CAL and are extremely competitive. I used to play but I just don't have the time any more... Something I loved doing.

If you want to play these matches you need to be organized and prepared to lose. It is a lot different from pub matches. And looking at scores... both sides aren't that high up ladder :D:D but these things take time.

[Hammy]

I just finished getting off the phone with todd. He was upset at the fact of having his post removed regarding last nights game. He felt last nights game was not fun due to the skill level of the opposing team and felt they were dishonest about their playing abilities. He never said they were cheating, he just was not having any fun(thats it). You cant put a clan of 24hr 7days a week pros against a bunch of part time weekend warriors and expect to do well.
Weve all gotten pissed off at one time or another when we get out butts handed to us. We need to realize that some people have all the time in the world to play or are just naturally good. While most of us have jobs, kids, mortgage, private school, trusts funds, mistrisses, daycare(I could go on) to worry about, while our love of gaming gets put on the backburner. The best thing i can say about this is when you get upset take a break. Your friends will still be there when you get back.


I was there and there was nothing we could do about the skill level last night. They were kicking our tails and we parked and communicated what everyone's roles was, and it was insane how quickly the tables turned. I saw a serious tantrum when the people who were owning us suddenly got owned, and owned hard.
I think everyone can back me up when I say that I dont let people smack talk, and when it began last night, I simply said "thats not cool- lets keep it fun" and it stopped immediately. No one was trying to humiliate anyone - we were just trying to get as many kills as we could and end a lopsided score- which we did and then some.

When that happens, it really does become suffocating for the otherside. We had UAVs, Helicopter, and Airstrikes keeping them inside. I sent 3 guys up the left side via the comm, and then Rico, Nailik and I buttoned down the right side- so that when they came down that way, we just mowed them down.

It was standard tactic. There were three others with Phantom rolling disruption behind the imaginary enemy lines, and at one point I recall seeing some furious typing by the otherside.
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BUT....

If this has anything to do with what was happening as I logged in, I can speak to that as well. Our team was the one getting sat on. We couldnt move, no one was working togeather. We had angry members just running out into the open and getting sniped.

I did not observe anything unusual. Our new guests had incredible accuracy, which I questioned until I realized that they were using that super hi calibur sniper rifle, which in HC is a one shot one kill through cement no brainer.

I faced my teamates at several points as enemys as well, as I always go Auto-select my team. It makes it more fun if you do that.

What did not help was that people were getting angry with each other and blaming each other, rather than solving the problem.

[juneau]

I was there and there was nothing we could do about the skill level last night. They were kicking our tails and we parked and communicated what everyone's roles was, and it was insane how quickly the tables turned.

When that happens, it really does become suffocating for the otherside. We had UAVs, Helicopter, and Airstrikes keeping them inside. I sent 3 guys up the left side via the comm, and then Rico, Nailik and I buttoned down the right side- so that when they came down that way, we just mowed them down.

It was standard tactic. There were three others with Phantom rolling disruption behind the imaginary enemy lines, and at one point I recall seeing some furious typing by the otherside.
========
BUT....

If this has anything to do with what was happening as I logged in, I can speak to that as well. Our team was the one getting sat on. We couldnt move, no one was working togeather. We had angry members just running out into the open and getting sniped.

I did not observe anything unusual. Our new guests had incredible accuracy, which I questioned until I realized that they were using that super hi calibur sniper rifle, which in HC is a one shot one kill through cement no brainer.

I faced my teamates at several points as enemys as well, as I always go Auto-select my team. It makes it more fun if you do that.

What did not help was that people were getting angry with each other and blaming each other, rather than solving the problem.

I believe it's what happened on the private DoD server we had setup for a scrim.

[Hammy]

I believe it's what happened on the private DoD server we had setup for a scrim.

Well there may be something else behind this, because they were ticked off in COD4 as well.

[Tuck]

I just finished getting off the phone with todd. He was upset at the fact of having his post removed regarding last nights game.

So again we're back to people getting upset because they're being censored on these Boards. Did someone at least explain to Todd why the post was removed?

[Cain]

We delete or edit posts and entire threads daily. Most folks PM me (or a Senior Admin) to ask who did it and why.

We answer, and they understand, even if they may not agree with the reasoning.

A small number make a decision to not ask us, but choose instead to come to the Forum and complain LOUDLY to thousands of people who had nothing to do with pulling their post, and who have no idea why the person's post was pulled.

If they want an answer, they ask me (or Sirex, Apache, BlackArrow, etc), if they want attention they make a public post complaining.

Todd and Needle know how to PM me.

-- Cain

[Tuck]

A small number make a decision to not ask us, but choose instead to come to the Forum and complain LOUDLY to thousands of people who had nothing to do with pulling their post, and who have no idea why the person's post was pulled.

If they want an answer, they ask me (or Sirex, Apache, BlackArrow, etc), if they want attention they make a public post complaining.

It just seems to me that's backwards. If someone with the power to censor someone else uses that power, it's incumbent upon the actor to explain the action. Without that explanation, the action seems arbitrary and capricious. And that's why people get upset.

Again, a little more communication will go a loooong way.

[K PhaNTOM]

Here is something to get you guys laughing for once. Obey The Moderator!

YouTube - Obey The Moderator! - Optimus Rhyme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTLwiccIOxI)

:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:

[Cain]

Fair comment Tuck.

I post on a Zillion Internet Boards and have done so back into the BBS days.

At least for me it is rare for a moderator to explain his/her actions without me asking since I can easily bet I have broken some rule or offended someone by my post, without having to wait for a moderator to tell me that.

:D

[Skud]

Hey, Todd.

I hate to see you leave, man. It was always a nice surprise when you popped onto the server while I was playing. I don't know that it will make any difference in your decision, but I would sure like to see you stay...or at least send old Skud a private message once in a while. Take care. :(

[Tuck]

I post on a Zillion Internet Boards and have done so back into the BBS days.

:D

I'm the opposite. I post on two: this one, and one dedicated to the Clemson-Carolina rivalry. Neither is perfect, but both are great communities.

[BuzzSaw55]

You will both be missed thanks for the games.:(

[JohnyRico]

Hope ya come back. I'll miss PG and the contstant "Hi" to everyone logging in.

[thedeadlyassassin]

Todd man, you're one of my best mates here on the forums. I loved playing 2142 like a nocturnal moron and having you log in at 4am my time and play until I went to sleep at 7am. It was fun, and we always had a good laugh. It's like playing with massacre because he's like a brother to me (Because he's exactly like my brother :twisted:)

It's a lot of fun, and if you see this before you go, PM me so I can give you information that can keep us in touch.

[Warhead]

It just seems to me that's backwards. If someone with the power to censor someone else uses that power, it's incumbent upon the actor to explain the action. Without that explanation, the action seems arbitrary and capricious. And that's why people get upset.

Again, a little more communication will go a loooong way.

+1!
Is it really worth losing any one good person to maintain what is essentially an authoritarian tradition?
-

Todd and PG, I hope you'll take some time to cool off and reconsider. There may be a few rough edges here and there, but overall this is a good community, with a lot of great people. Its been fun playing both of you!

[{CLR} Major.Massacre]

Todd man, you're one of my best mates here on the forums. I loved playing 2142 like a nocturnal moron and having you log in at 4am my time and play until I went to sleep at 7am. It was fun, and we always had a good laugh. It's like playing with massacre because he's like a brother to me (Because he's exactly like my brother :twisted:)

It's a lot of fun, and if you see this before you go, PM me so I can give you information that can keep us in touch.
Mum called... she wants her copy of COD4 back!:D

[Hammy]

Mum called... she wants her copy of COD4 back!:D


Unfortunately, his message here was vague- I think they meant that they were done with that specific game- not our community :(

I just got a very nice note from Todd and it doesnt feel like he meant to jump out of the plane with his parachute.....

[Cain]

I have ALWAYS enjoyed playing with and against Todd and his very pleasant daughter, but Todd tends to allow these games to upset him too much.

Todd also tends to believe that people who kill him are cheating, which is why his post the other night after the match was pulled, and I believe he knows why it was pulled.

I can't remember if this is the second or third time Todd has quit one of my servers, but I do remember a big blow-up over the 2142 server.

Keep it light Todd, and remember these are only games my friend, if you change your mind we will be right here; if not best wishes for the future wherever you land.

:2thumbs:

-- Cain

[TEAMKILLERZ]

Who will I get revenge on when They snipe like I did to PG?

[K PhaNTOM]

That's it, I'm voting Cain for president! Vote Cain, forget McCain :D

[RuThLeSsKiLLa]

Todd my friend is been fun playing with u and against along with PG since 2142 era. hopefully i see you around on steam, and take care both.

[jeffro74]

hate to see u go Todd,take a break and try it again.

[{CLR}geneSW]

Keep it light Todd, and remember these are only games my friend, if you change your mind we will be right here; if not best wishes for the future wherever you land.

best advice ever. People tend to let these games get to them too much. If you find that starting to happen, just take a moment, step back, and breath. Trust me it helps. I have to do that all the time. :2thumbs:

[Zantheus]

Well hope u and PG decide to come back Todd...is nice playing with the both of you. I know things can get frustrating from time to time and that is whee a solid 2 weeks off comes in handy...I've done it and most others have as well.

[Br@nFl@Kes{CLR}]

We loved you both (as with most of the regulars here)

You 2 where the ones i were "closer" with and i am very sad to see you go

Hopefully you guys come back so i can have a few more games with ya?:(

If not...Have fun the "Real" world :wink:

-Br@n :cry:

[K PhaNTOM]

Me & PG are done!

I just noticed the grammar, it should be "PG & I are done!" I think he should come back to edit it. It makes me feel so not englishy inside :D

[Pumpkin_Jack]

No pidge and todd dont go I loved talking with pidge :cry: this is seriously bothering me i am close to crying(no lie) PLEASE dont tell me your leaving all of Cains Lair.

[Reconsnipe1]

Plz dont leave Todd or PG :(:(:cry:

[BenT3hKitty]

Well, I'm not going to gripe or cry about it, can't change opinions, your always welcomed back. Bai bai!

[Hammy]

For everyone who ever reads this thread, just remember one thing:

Pride is a silly thing, especially in situations like this.
I doubt that Todd will ever read any of this, and if he does, I wonder if he can swallow his pride and just come back to his friends.

The clear point here is that you can come back from this: no questions asked, pick up where you left off, and if you try to apologize or explain why you left/came back etc. -- you will get this kind of response from:

" yeah yeah yeah...who cares what kinda fuzzy apology you just offered- frag that animal on the MG - he's wiping us all over the map with that sucker!!!"

[FieryDragon]

I just saw PG on like two minutes ago! Don't tell daddy!

[Hammy]

:twisted: Fiery- put your bite plate back in please.

[FieryDragon]

Haha...PG still pms me from time to time...telling me bout her chores at home..hehe

[Toryu72]

well hope they coming back..do remember both in BF2142 :D

If they go..i will be sad :sad: :sad:

[Pumpkin_Jack]

Main my two of my favorite hommie's from CLR are gone Pidge and nail this suck:cry:
Only one thing left to do:plzdie: do us all a favor
jk jk, good luck with your lives im shure the lair will miss you almost as much as i will.

[Hammy]

PJ- they are still here. They just meant that they are done with certain games :2thumbs:

[Dead_And_Gone]

I auto select, but some pick a particular side because of natural advantages starting out. Sometimes one side gets loaded with Uber players, and the other side gets owned..

It can get frustrating to die repeatedly without even getting a shot off. I'm as guilty as anyone else about getting worked up.

Choices? Just observe some players for awhile, see if you can pick up anything new. Walk away, take a breather. HIDE.. lol

When I got owned repeatedly by one player, I observed him for awhile, and he was JUST THAT GOOD. Made me sick... :|

I personally don't do matches anymore, as I'm just not one of the top players. I can see elite uber players on CLR servers any time I log on. They have a big, red, target on my posterior.. hehehe

Todd got upset in 2142, upset at CoD4.. He got REALLY good at both. He will be back to frag us again, I'm sure.

It is a game, we can all get decent or good, or great, depending on your naturaly abilities and knowing the maps by heart. The community, chat, Voip, is what makes it FUN no matter what, the majority of the time.

I love Todd and PG to death. (No pun intended) lol