Thank you.

[The_Needle]

To whomever removed my post, thank you for reminding me that the forums are not open to free speech. Your forums, your rules. I will attempt to bow out gracefully and no longer post.

Good gaming to all.

[jeffro74]

sorry to hear it Needle,see u around.

[Skud]

I might be curious to see it, Needle, you naughty boy! Must have been rich!

:wink:

[K PhaNTOM]

I second that motion, what did needle write? :scratch: :cry:

[BlackArrow]

A normal person would title this thread "I am Sorry" rather than "Thank You"

If you are going to post something highly offensive to others religion, don't be surprised if it is removed.



You are free to say what you want.

Cain is free to delete what he wants.

[BenKenobi]

Thats why I don't like forums that much.

If you're having a real life conversation people just can't delete what you say because they don't like it

[Trooper110]

There's rules on the forums just like there's rules in real like. You don't run down the street in your home town screaming out curse words, ethnic or racial slurs, I'm sure. It may not be specifically illegal, but guaranteed to get someone mad or your @$$ kicked. Cain, or any other admin, has the right to set rules and enforce them as they see fit. Just like there's laws for what is acceptable, or consequences for saying things irl. If people don't like these facts, they can sit in a tinfoil covered room with no outlets so the government can't hear them.

[BigTwinky]

If you are having a real life conversation with someone and you say offensive things about them (I don't know the post referred to here, just saying as a general rule) you run the risk of being punched in the face.

When having a discussion, whether online or in real life, you can pretty much talk about anything if you keep it civil and discuss for discussions sake. Hot topics are hard to discuss when people start emotionally posting instead of rationally posting. This can lead to an emotional response.

If you cannot live with this, then you are not someone I would want to discuss with.

There are posters on these forums with whom I totally disagree with, but I have loved discussing with them, and have even sent out PMs thanking them for having a fruitful and interesting discussion

[BlackArrow]

Ben,

Your youth shows in that comment. Almost nothing gets edited-out here. The sky is the limit most of the time.

But if you post something highly offensive - which is done for a reaction - you can't be surprised when you get a reaction. In this case it was personal and offensive. That is very different from having a healthy conversation.

As for your real life comment....I find that many people are cowards and will put stuff in forums that they would never say in real life because they hide behind the anonymity. In real life you don't get edited, you get punched in the face.

[Hammy]

I reccomend closing the thread.

Posting rights is a non-factor per our community rules. Flat out, freedom of speech is conditional on the rules presented here by Cain and the staff he elects to uphold those rules and ideals.

If they don't like it and they pull it- so be it.

There is no platform for discussion on this point as far as I understand as presented.

[BigTwinky]

I don't see a reason as to why this post should be locked.

Nothing wrong was said, interesting points were made. People have their views and opinions, and thats fine. Threads can die out on their own.

Hammy is right, there are rules to the community and those rules are enforced. But more importantly, those rules are clearly stated and written for all to see.

[Minerva]

So much drama for things... I ask anyone, to remove anything I might post that is offensive. Even if it's not for me it can be for others, and the least I want is to offend people, so by all means, do it. Is that so hard to understand?

:ty2:

[Duke{CLR}]

Like BigTwinky and BlackArrow posted simultaneously, if you say some too offensive in real life you run the risk of getting smacked. Cain and the others that work on the forums put in a lot of effort to keep this a civil place and they do it with minimal deletes. :2cents:

[ViTO]

Not to be " NOSEY " but if a post was removed, there was a damn good reason for it. The most common being....it offended someone to the point they took exception and deleted it.

Where is the problem ??

Lets not forget, this is " Cain's Lair " ...........his Lair his rules.
BTW....

an example.....
Since Cain has so much devotion in which he lives and breathes the South Carolina Game Cocks Sports with every breath.

If I went around saying the Game Cocks Suck !!! I'm sure he would be offended but NOT delete the post.

So whatever was posted must have been very offensive or in very bad taste.

BTW... Did I mention, The South Carolina Game Cocks REALLY SUCK !! Especially that PATHIC BASEBALL TEAM !!!

:o

[Todd98]

After reading the posts I just now saw in Vito's header were he lives across the lake from Duke. And I have only been here a little over a year now. :tard:

[Warhead]

:good:

Clemson, FTW!

[Midnight Rider 1.3]

I've had many a-threads deleted/locked on my accord. They were all just conversation.

Unless you come out and say "bob smith, i hope you die in your sleep" or if the context is personally directed abuse, there really is no reason to delete any posts. It goes against the very things that draw people to forums. Debate--which I might add, the admins here know little about.

It angers people when they come to see what counterpoints were made against their own only to find a nice red lock at the bottom. Nothing can be said to finish it off. There is no closure.

This is where most of you slept through class. Every topic needs some closure. You can't just lock it, otherwise you instill a sense of anger in the poster.

[{CLR}geneSW]

I've had many a-threads deleted/locked on my accord. They were all just conversation.

Unless you come out and say "bob smith, i hope you die in your sleep" or if the context is personally directed abuse, there really is no reason to delete any posts. It goes against the very things that draw people to forums. Debate--which I might add, the admins here know little about.

It angers people when they come to see what counterpoints were made against their own only to find a nice red lock at the bottom. Nothing can be said to finish it off. There is no closure.

This is where most of you slept through class. Every topic needs some closure. You can't just lock it, otherwise you instill a sense of anger in the poster.

Keep in mind that some threads either go outside of their original topic, in which case a new topic needs to be made, or end up turning into a flame wars... This is why some threads are locked and posts deleted, not because we know nothing about debate...

[Pidgeot_Girl]

Well nice knowing u needle:sad: hope i c ya again 1 day take care:2thumbs:

Sincerly,
Pidgeot_Girl:2thumbs:

[Hammy]

So much drama for things... I ask anyone, to remove anything I might post that is offensive. Even if it's not for me it can be for others, and the least I want is to offend people, so by all means, do it. Is that so hard to understand?

:ty2:

I'm offended now.......

:D

haha!

[Hammy]

I've had many a-threads deleted/locked on my accord. They were all just conversation.

Unless you come out and say "bob smith, i hope you die in your sleep" or if the context is personally directed abuse, there really is no reason to delete any posts. It goes against the very things that draw people to forums. Debate--which I might add, the admins here know little about.

It angers people when they come to see what counterpoints were made against their own only to find a nice red lock at the bottom. Nothing can be said to finish it off. There is no closure.

This is where most of you slept through class. Every topic needs some closure. You can't just lock it, otherwise you instill a sense of anger in the poster.


Actually- the problem here is that you slept through the class on english literature and context.

This thread is about the why- not the what.
To clarify the why, Black Arrow had to state the what.

Therefore, I dont know why we are still debating what was said.
Another point you made was around what it is like at other forums.

The truth in the matter is that we come here because it IS NOT like those other toilets. Debate or not, this isnt an open forum. It's an open community- and the difference lies in the fact that the community stays open so long as you abide by the rules and standards that dictate opinions, statements and what is otherwise considered manners and good taste.

Yes, they can just delete your posts.
Yes, they can just lock a thread and tell you to beat it.
There may be a communication problem here- I mean there are rules stated in several places, alongside very good guidelines in regards to what you and others are arguing. Then there are posts in here as well. Perhaps we should go RSS feed next? :D

[ViTO]

After reading the posts I just now saw in Vito's header were he lives across the lake from Duke. And I have only been here a little over a year now. :tard:


Actually we are not that close the lake is HUGE !! and I'm a little south.

But a ferry ride will get me there !!

:luvu:

[BigTwinky]

I like pie

[Trooper110]

I like pie

Hey, me too!

[Jeffro]

Actually- the problem here is that you slept through the class on english literature and context.

This thread is about the why- not the what.
To clarify the why, Black Arrow had to state the what.

Therefore, I dont know why we are still debating what was said.
Another point you made was around what it is like at other forums.



you sound like the architec from the matrix, it sounded good but i still dont' understand what you said :2thumbs::D:shock::?

[Thrashdragon]

I've had many a-threads deleted/locked on my accord. They were all just conversation.

Unless you come out and say "bob smith, i hope you die in your sleep" or if the context is personally directed abuse, there really is no reason to delete any posts. It goes against the very things that draw people to forums. Debate--which I might add, the admins here know little about.

It angers people when they come to see what counterpoints were made against their own only to find a nice red lock at the bottom. Nothing can be said to finish it off. There is no closure.

This is where most of you slept through class. Every topic needs some closure. You can't just lock it, otherwise you instill a sense of anger in the poster.

I have to disagree with you here, I've been here for a while now and been involved in some pretty heated debates over some touchy topics, and 99% of them were allowed to run their course. Even when they get off track and someone throws a flame in, the admins will usually let it stand and get straightened out in the course of the conversation instead of just deleting it, unless it's really over the top.

There have been a couple of times I saw a post locked that I didn't agree with, but that's completely subject to opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...

This is not a bad place at all to have a polite, rational conversation about pretty much anything. Hell, it's the only reason I still stick my head in here once in a while, I haven't played a CL game regularly since the early days of BF2142.

[{CLR} Major.Massacre]

I have to disagree with you here, I've been here for a while now and been involved in some pretty heated debates over some touchy topics, and 99% of them were allowed to run their course. Even when they get off track and someone throws a flame in, the admins will usually let it stand and get straightened out in the course of the conversation instead of just deleting it, unless it's really over the top.

There have been a couple of times I saw a post locked that I didn't agree with, but that's completely subject to opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...

This is not a bad place at all to have a polite, rational conversation about pretty much anything. Hell, it's the only reason I still stick my head in here once in a while, I haven't played a CL game regularly since the early days of BF2142.+1
Nice to see you here Thrashdragon!:D:2thumbs: I hope you get L4D.

[ViTO]

+1
Nice to see you here Thrashdragon!:D:2thumbs: I hope you get L4D.

+2
Its nice to see you still lurking about.
Hope to see you in game in the near future.

V

[Apache Warrior]

I like pie


I made three apple pies last Saturday. Mmmmm they were good. :D
Apache

[BenKenobi]

I didn't mean to start a commotion or anything from my previous comment. It's just in the past I have also had thread locked and even removed. I guess I'm one of the few?

I remember this one instance where my thread was removed because of my opinions on why HQ was better than the TDM in COD4. It wasn't offensive or insulting. It wasn't advertising another community's server. It was even pretty long and I put in a lot of time into writing it to prove my point. When I looked back 5 minutes later to see if anyone posted I was surprised to see it vanished.

My thread was removed because if people saw my opinions regarding a game and even agreed with them they might not play on TDM server anymore. That would of course hurt Cain's server.

I'm not trying to incite anything but there's good parts about every gaming community I've come across. This one is peaceful and has a lot of nice rules, but it's number 1 priority is the popularity of the servers. And if you're not contributing to that or taking away from the main objective you will have your thread removed. At least that's my experience. Since then I've basically kept my mouth shut about that.

I thought about leaving the community at the time but it really doesn't matter if you leave or not, no one really gives a damn . Lets be honest here. Will anyone really miss needle? Not really. It's just one less opinion to look at when you click on a thread.

The only person I really ever had feelings for (nothing creepy lol) is moe.

I don't know what the Needle posted but it obviously frustrated him as it frustrated me to see something he apparently put a lot of time into vanish. I'm not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, but it probably seems that way.

Of course, my opinions don't count, I'm only a kid, I don't even give money.

But that's my virtual two cents, and I guess it doesn't really matter that much in a community this large, because even if you cause a few people to leave you'll always get a lot more coming on back.

Anyways I'm not leaving this community or anything and I don't plan to unless I get booted (which wouldn't be a big surprise to me to be honest; I'm pretty sure I'm on the bad list by now) but I hope you won't be too angry when I say that there may be another community that takes up more of my time now. Why? Well if I said that -

http://bp2.blogger.com/_WwlsLGrgHtg/RsIJFvVwVfI/AAAAAAAAAEM/07yfdwjNYt4/s320/banhammer.jpg

God I hope this post doesn't get deleted but it probably will. I hope enough people get to this before it goes. ggs guys

[Jeffro]

ok ive sat around long enough. did you guys forget why you joined the lair in the first place? Its a wonderful place to be. i don't get it man. we all get agravated but come on. this is a relationship. if i get in a fight with my wife does it mean i'm gonna leave her?! no! arguments happen and if you have a problem you talk to the person who you have a problem with, you don't post it for the world to see. This is why things like this blow out of control b/c people don't speak directly to each other. This is why we have pm's guys.

[FieryDragon]

I like pie

mmhm...pie!

[Jeffro]

ok back to being fun loving jeffro... i like pie too but nothing beat mint chocolate chip ice cream :2thumbs:

[BenKenobi]

ok ive sat around long enough. did you guys forget why you joined the lair in the first place? Its a wonderful place to be. i don't get it man. we all get agravated but come on. this is a relationship. if i get in a fight with my wife does it mean i'm gonna leave her?! no! arguments happen and if you have a problem you talk to the person who you have a problem with, you don't post it for the world to see. This is why things like this blow out of control b/c people don't speak directly to each other. This is why we have pm's guys.

I did PM cain about my incident, and he told me why it was removed. I was still upset so I talked to BlackArrow, because at the time he was really the only higher up who knew who I was. He told me that things get deleted and thats just the way it is. And that was the end of it.

Jeffro, we did talk but nothing was resolved. And I agree this is a wonderful community. And I also agree that pie is nice, especially blueberry.

I know I'll get banned or my posts will get deleted because of what I said but maybe this can spur a discussion about this.

[Minerva]

ok back to being fun loving jeffro... i like pie too but nothing beat mint chocolate chip ice cream :2thumbs:

pffft..

Coconut with ribbons of chocolate and pistachio bits by Farggi :luvu:

[Jeffro]

yucky! how about vanilla ice cream with fudge ripples and lil peanut butter cups? *drools*

[Minerva]

yucky! how about vanilla ice cream with fudge ripples and lil peanut butter cups? *drools*

That will do too!

[FieryDragon]

yucky! how about vanilla ice cream with fudge ripples and lil peanut butter cups? *drools*

We call that Moose Tracks in Cali.

My all time fav but the mint one is a close second...

btw...I still have thin mint girl scout cookies! hahahahahahaha...made from real life girl scouts! muhahahahaha

[Jeffro]

mmmmm girl scouts..... OOPS I MEAN PIE AND ICE CREAM! :shock::shock:

[Trooper110]

I gotta agree, mint chocolate chip ice cream ftw!

As far as getting deleted, I've had posts deleted, I was given a reason, and I accepted it and moved on. Honestly, this is CAIN'S Lair, Cain appoints mods and admins to enforce his rules, his opinions even if he wants that to be so. If you can't stand by the rules and take what's given to you, go somewhere else.

I don't see the point in getting so upset about a deleted topic, you broke a rule in some form, and you were "punished" for it. Your post was deleted. No one made a public spectacle of it, no admins mocked you, no one probably noticed but you, or honestly cared. You won't get banned (and this is my take on it) unless you constantly break the rules and don't learn, or you do something that is so far over the line that it can't be forgiven in terms of the rules here.

Learn it, understand it, and move on. Ben, with regards to your age, frankly, as long as you're not acting like an immature little moron, I don't care if you're posting 100 topics a day, I'll read them, I'll respond to them, and I will hold a civilized conversation with you about them. I've known 15 year olds that were a lot more mature and enjoyable to talk to than some 30 year olds I know.

[Hammy]

I like pie

I like cake too.

[{CLR} Naillik]

I've only ever had 1 of my posts deleted. and that was because it was a horribly unneeded thing involving the <- arrow key on my keyboard constantly being pressed (not physically) so I would type everything backwards. that one needed deletion bad... I was bout to even ask :D

And seriously.... Trooper and Jeffro + 10000000
Seriously guys, just forget about it. If you felt wronged or something just look at what those two said.
my :2cents:
No need for all this crazy drama.... best thing to do imo is just ignore posts that are made to purposefully cause discontent (aka troll/asshat).... All a simple "goodbye" in a post like that makes more people drawn to it, which means more people are going to get annoyed at some mysterious problem. good amount of the ppl who have posted never saw needles original deleted post. and needle bud, stuff like this only serves to annoy people, like I was annoyed on the HC server you were telling everyone it was okay to curse and encouraged em, like cmon man. Give, and you will be given to, take, you will be taken from.


btw, Jeffro gratz on admin :)

[BlackArrow]

Of course, my opinions don't count, I'm only a kid, I don't even give money.

Ben,

I don't care about your age = you have always been a great sport!!

I don't expect you to be donating at your age = save it for a car or college!!!

I have always enjoyed playing with you and you have never been anything less than enthusiastic:2thumbs:

[DougBob]

Hmmmmm, Apple pie :luvu:

[Tuck]

If I went around saying the Game Cocks Suck !!! I'm sure he would be offended but NOT delete the post.

So whatever was posted must have been very offensive or in very bad taste.

BTW... Did I mention, The South Carolina Game Cocks REALLY SUCK !! Especially that PATHIC BASEBALL TEAM !!!

:o

Now you gone and done it! Cain ain't the only Gamecock around here.

http://www.bearplugs.com/prodimg/ahc-10102.gif

[Trooper110]

Oooooo, do I sense a Vito beat down?! Someone film it so he can at least try to Photoshop his way out of it later ;)

[{CLR}geneSW]

Ben,

I don't care about your age = you have always been a great sport!!

I don't expect you to be donating at your age = save it for a car or college!!!

I have always enjoyed playing with you and you have never been anything less than enthusiastic:2thumbs:

+1, and btw, i've had posts removed as well. It happens from time to time... I think it's time to let this topic die... it's ran it's course.... and it doesn't need to run so much that it gets a stress fracture in it's leg like I did... :P

[K PhaNTOM]

when did this thread become about pie????

MMMMMM pecan pie.... mmmmmmm :D

[Hammy]

I'm telling you guys- A strawberry shortcake with custard and sliced Strawberrys in the layers between the cake.
Fresh Whip cream frosting and crushed walnuts sprinkled across the top.

OR

An Italian Amaretto cake.....

[Apache Warrior]

Creme Brulee FTW. :D
Apache

[ChrisWW11]

This is making me want to get some pie :luvu:

[thedeadlyassassin]

As for your real life comment....I find that many people are cowards and will put stuff in forums that they would never say in real life because they hide behind the anonymity.

------------

Very true. People on here find me to be wild and out of control. But to be completely honest, I'm shy and quiet. I have a quiet deep voice as some of you know, so I keep it that way.

Infact, to be completely honest, if I went to a party and you all were there, I'd probably sit in the shadows drinking a rootbeer.

That's why I love forums. You can post something and you don't have the fear of someone yelling in your face or putting you down. I'd rather be called an******* online than an ******* to my face.

[juneau]

Creme Brulee FTW. :D
Apache

I have to agree. :D

[Minerva]

I have to agree. :D

Catalan custard FTW!!

[Zantheus]

All this talk about dessert is making me hungry...I guess its time to tell the wife to start baking :D

[thedeadlyassassin]

can we for the love of god get this spam over with?


I might be spamming now but this is really frustrating to me.

When my real life friend came in here and made a stupid thread about Bob Dole, everyone got pissed off. This might not be a stupid thread about Bob Dole, and had a meaning at one point, but admins, regulars, veterans, nearly everyone right now is spamming.

I know there's a difference between spamming and making a useless thread, but a lot of us here have mad useless threads in the past, but it seems a lot of you got pretty mad at my friend and called him basically an idiot.

I don't mean to come here and scold you all, but for the sake of whatever, what's with the contradicting ourselves here? Spam... but yell at spammers. Gotta love it.

This thread is useless and was useless for awhile and it wasn't needles fault.

[BenKenobi]

They're just trying to cover up the problem in my opinion

[BigTwinky]

whats the problem Ben?

[TEAMKILLERZ]

As for your real life comment....I find that many people are cowards and will put stuff in forums that they would never say in real life because they hide behind the anonymity.

------------

Very true. People on here find me to be wild and out of control. But to be completely honest, I'm shy and quiet. I have a quiet deep voice as some of you know, so I keep it that way.

Infact, to be completely honest, if I went to a party and you all were there, I'd probably sit in the shadows drinking a rootbeer.

That's why I love forums. You can post something and you don't have the fear of someone yelling in your face or putting you down. I'd rather be called an ******* online than an ******* to my face.


+1
Look at this equation it is mostly true when you look at video games like CoD4

Normal Person + Anonymity = Curse Blowing Moron

[TEAMKILLERZ]

As for your real life comment....I find that many people are cowards and will put stuff in forums that they would never say in real life because they hide behind the anonymity.

------------

Very true. People on here find me to be wild and out of control. But to be completely honest, I'm shy and quiet. I have a quiet deep voice as some of you know, so I keep it that way.

Infact, to be completely honest, if I went to a party and you all were there, I'd probably sit in the shadows drinking a rootbeer.

That's why I love forums. You can post something and you don't have the fear of someone yelling in your face or putting you down. I'd rather be called an ******* online than an ******* to my face.


+1
Look at this equation it is mostly true when you look at video games like CoD4
that isn't in cainslair and is just the typical gamer.
Normal Person + Anonymity = Curse Blowing Moron

[juneau]

They're just trying to cover up the problem in my opinion

Really, just seemed like light hearted fun to me. Oh well. :(

*serious mode on*

[Jeffro]

well i really am seriously, mint chocolate chip is the best invention ever :D:D

[thedeadlyassassin]

well, this is obviously the stupidest thread going on. Not is it full of spam, it's got like 5 different conversations of spam in it.


Oh what the hell?


I HATE STUPID PEOPLE

[TEAMKILLERZ]

well, this is obviously the stupidest thread going on. Not is it full of spam, it's got like 5 different conversations of spam in it.


Oh what the hell?


I HATE STUPID PEOPLE

Well Deadly people don't like to realise things half the time and like to live in fantasy worlds. Its just human nature.

[BigTwinky]

I HATE STUPID PEOPLE

I'm offended at that.

[Rand{CLR}]

Deadly, just settle down. People decided to take this in a light-hearted direction, and it's perfectly fine.

If it bothers you so much, STOP READING THE THREAD. Problem solved.

-Rand

[BigTwinky]

STOP READING THE THREAD.



I am offended by your screaming

[Apache Warrior]

Stupid is as stupid does. :scratch: :D
Apache

[{CLR} Major.Massacre]

I am offended by your screamingIm offended that your offended by screaming.:D

[BigTwinky]

Im offended that your offended by screaming.:D

I'm offended by your grammar
:luvu:

[juneau]

I'm offended by your grammar
:luvu:

:D

[BlackArrow]

I like Turtles

[{CLR} Naillik]

Turtles - the swimming ones or the eating ones? :D

[Jeffro]

http://hosting01.imagecross.com/image-hosting-07/8122lolcatthread.jpg (http://www.imagecross.com/)Image Hosting (http://www.imagecross.com/)

[Trooper110]

I'm offended that no one has mentioned black raspberry pie, buncha heathens. :D:D

[{CLR} Naillik]

there's such a thing as black raspberry?!?! :shock:
:D

[Duke{CLR}]

Hmmm about some :spam1: pie. :D

[Hawkeye426]

whats the problem Ben?

I really hate to get involved in another of these discussions, as I have been there before, but I think Ben has clearly stated the problem, and I tend to agree with him. Now before you all start going at me, I would like to say that this is a great community, but in my opinion I strongly believe in the right for one to express his or her own, unbiased opinion without it being modified or censored. I understand that the popularity of this community’s servers is paramount in Cain's mind; however as just a notion I would suggest that leeway in this area is needed. In a truly open community any member’s opinion would be highly valued and as such their comments would be let stand so long as they were not offensive to others, and in a community such as this, one would be able to criticize, so that the community could address the issues at hand and better itself in the process. Here at Cain’s lair we have a nasty habit of disguising threads that discuss this issue, and it leaves members (at least one who have been there) feeling cast out, as if the issue has just been ignored. The very fact that this thread is now about pies illustrates this point. Anyways to all those that have been in this situation before I feel for you, but as of this time we can only hope that one day this community will see the light and address this singular problem, as by all other measure I can only describe this group as wonderful, it’s just that in my humble opinion things like this can only be bottled up for so long, and I believe we have lost many talented and enjoyable community members due to this unfortunate issue. In conclusion I would like to say that I appreciate Ben’s attempt to force the community to address this growing concern.
+1 Ben

Sincerely

Your Friend
Hawkeye

[BigTwinky]

Ok, let me start off by saying I’m sorry for the pie derailment. That’s my bad. I honestly did not think much would happen in this thread, so I took it in a very light hearted way.

To set the stage, I have had some posts locked. I have had some posts deleted. I’ve been there, mostly before I was an admin. I loved discussing in the Padded Room and sometimes just saying how I see things which often led to a lock, rarely a delete.

The popularity of the servers should not just be on Cain’s mind but ALL of our minds. If they aren’t popular, they aren’t here. If they aren’t here, we aren’t even having this discussion. Its not just a Cain issue, it’s a COMMUNITY issue.


I cannot speak for Cain or anyone else, I personally value everyone’s opinion. I may not agree with it, but it is theirs to have. But this is not my community. If Cain wants to ban everyone who was born on a Monday, then so be it. Not the best way to keep a strong player base, but none of us would have a say.

I post/ed on a few forums in my time and I do agree, that this forum can sensor somethings somewhat quickly. One of the main reasons for that I see is kids. There are a decent number of children playing and posting here, which is not something you would find on other discussion forums. Or if you do, the mods don’t care. Cain does.

I never played COD4, so I don’t know that thread Ben references in being locked / removed. From my time here as a player and an admin, things have to do /say something pretty bad for them to have been removed.

To address some of Ben’s points made, in good old forum posting quote mode.


I didn't mean to start a commotion or anything from my previous comment. It's just in the past I have also had thread locked and even removed. I guess I'm one of the few?

There are a few who have gotten their posts locked. Myself included. When I get a post locked, I try and figure out why and try to adjust. You can either adjust or just stop. Personal choice. Within my personal limits, I will adjust what I say and how I say it to not have my posts edited/locked/removed. However, should I have to say something that I don’t think is true or against my personal values, I won’t bother posting at all

I thought about leaving the community at the time but it really doesn't matter if you leave or not, no one really gives a damn . Lets be honest here. Will anyone really miss needle? Not really. It's just one less opinion to look at when you click on a thread.

There are a few who have left that I sometimes think about. But there are very few. So mostly, for myself, I won’t be thinking much about anyone after they leave. But I will be very happy to see them come back. If you don't make a huge impact (positive or negative) on any community, people will tend to forget you. However, if you are making a negative impact, the difference is that people will try to forget you.


I'm not trying to incite anything but there's good parts about every gaming community I've come across. This one is peaceful and has a lot of nice rules, but it's number 1 priority is the popularity of the servers. And if you're not contributing to that or taking away from the main objective you will have your thread removed. At least that's my experience. Since then I've basically kept my mouth shut about that.


I partially disagree. If you are not contributing, then there is no reason to have your post removed, unless its against the server rules (offensive, racial, etc). Many posts here don’t contribute to the servers but can contribute to the community on the forums. If you are posting something that doesn’t contribute to either, then what you are posting is probably not worth it. Whether it’s a new story, a funny cat picture thread, questions about life, whatever…that’s what helps build a community.

But yeah, if you are posting and doing something AGAINST the servers or the community, then actions should be taken. Against does not mean voicing displeasure over something. Well, depending on how you write something it can have a different impact.
“Your rules suck, this place sucks. Put back this map cuz if not, you will suck”
vs
“I think x map would be better in the rotation. Player count is dropping without the map”

Same thing, different ways of communicating. Not saying you did either, just pointing something out.


Of course, my opinions don't count, I'm only a kid, I don't even give money.
But that's my virtual two cents, and I guess it doesn't really matter that much in a community this large, because even if you cause a few people to leave you'll always get a lot more coming on back.


Horrible way to think. Many kids have been through here and made an impact. Some have/are admins. Many people who don’t give money have made an impact. We can lose and gain numbers of people each day and you are right, won’t make a huge difference. But when we lose quality people, it DOES make a difference.



Props to both Hawkeye and Ben for discussing issues they have.
I’ll be here to help and answer, whether on the forums or in PMs.

And damn, this post is farking long.

[Trooper110]

The thing is, this is NOT an open and free community. It is CAIN'S LAIR, with CAIN'S RULES. Like it or not, that 's what it is.

[BigTwinky]

Cain is not a hard nosed dictator. He is a very open person. He runs his community like a tight ship, knowing that he wants it to be as inclusive of races, genders and ages as possible.

He takes pride in his community and those values, and trust me, will fight hard to ensure they stay.

[Trooper110]

Oh, I know BT. I actually posted that before I'd seen your post, got busy on a phone call at work and forgot to check for updates before posting. Your post is a lot better explaining and giving rationale. I still think it's good to point out that this is Cain's Lair though, not Free Speech About Everything and Anything Lair.

[Hawkeye426]

Oh, I know BT. I actually posted that before I'd seen your post, got busy on a phone call at work and forgot to check for updates before posting. Your post is a lot better explaining and giving rationale. I still think it's good to point out that this is Cain's Lair though, not Free Speech About Everything and Anything Lair.

Actually that is my point Trooper. Although this is a great community the lack of openess and free speach is in my mind the one thing that holds it back.

[{CLR} Naillik]

Free Speech as long as it doesn't harm anyone. racial things, religious slurs, cussing, they can harm ppl :) thats how I see it. If it harms someone, and is deleted or locked, good.
If you give a story you wrote to a local newspaper asking them to put it in, and it had things like "hate these people, these kinds of people suck, these guys are okay." then it's going to be ignored. :2cents:

[FieryDragon]

*bump* PIE....Mhmm

[K PhaNTOM]

mmmmm raising my post count.... mmmmm pie..... mmmmmm :bump:

[Hawkeye426]

This is exactly what I'm talking about, and all I ask is that if you don't have anything constructive to contribute, then simply don't. :|

[K PhaNTOM]

This is exactly what I'm talking about, and all I ask is that if you don't have anything constructive to contribute, then simply don't. :|

The hell do you want me to say? Cain was wrong? I really cannot judge until I see what needle wrote. it is interesting how no mods or admins did this yet


CLOSED

[thedeadlyassassin]

I find your last 2 posts very contradicting of each other...

Point being, this thread was meant to somehow apologize to the community, but turned into a huge conflict of everyone. I just find it really hard and disturbing that a personal friend of mine was treated harshly on these forums, which are the safest and most trustworthy I've used, and contain the best people, yet that these "best people" are now being a bunch of morons.

I don't want to offend anyone here, but this in my view is very ridiculous, and is not the Cain's Lair I've been with for over two years.

This was a thread to apologize, but it just made more people need to apologize.

I know I'm taking this spamming thing a little too hard, I've spammed before, no doubt about that, but I don't get all pissed off at a person for doing it, except for what I'm doing now, and the reason is that when a non regular player comes in here and spams, that person was flamed by a lot of people that spammed in this very thread, for spamming.

I say we close this, let it done. Needle, I don't know what you did, but I'm guessing you said something racists. I didn't see it, but I accept your "apology" personally. We all have racial thoughts every once in awhile, and it's hard to contain them sometimes. I for one get angry at foreigners that don't know any English and make me waste valuable time at my job (which I can't leave until my job is done), but to post it in a forum is never a good thing.


Ben, Hawkeye, and Blackarrow, I thank you for posting reasonably on the forums. Anyone else I missed that posted reasonably I thank you too. I'm a bit disappointed here, but I'll eventually forgive you all. I'm just feeling for my friend vince_ii that no longer uses the forums because well... stuff like this kind of happened and he was treated completely different.

[Duke{CLR}]

I will officially apologize for my SPAM Pie remark.

Deadly I don't see where Needle apologized and as far as what he posted an apology was necessary and if I were Cain I would have banned him but thats why it's Cainlair not Duke'slair. Sometimes you have to have a little faith in Cain and that he knows very well what he's doing. The great people that have collected here over the years is a testament to that.

[Rand{CLR}]

See, the problem is, the original post wasn't an apology, it was a snarky comment with no purpose other than to attempt to stir up trouble. Blackarrow's original reply to the post makes reference to what happened.

Had Needle posted something racist that would need to be deleted, he would have been banned. You know the rules on that.

What some of you fail to realize is that you are contributing to the very thing you are taking issue with: sidetracking the conversation and contributing to "spam." The comments regarding pie and the like were made to bring a more light-hearted tone to the thread, some even with good intentions of trying to diffuse the thread before it got to the point it needed to be closed.

Have you not noticed that many of the off-topic posts are following some of the posts that acquire, shall we say, a somewhat stringent tone against off-topic posts? Did you all stop to wonder why that may be the case? In some cases, they seem to me to be an anti-pomposity measure.

Other comments are the natural evolution of a thread. Some of you just need to understand a bit more about how internet forums tend to evolve, and how this thread itself evolved.

1. Threads often drift into other topics. This in and of itself often leads to more interesting threads than the original topic could ever lead to, and this in and of itself is why some of us love this place.

2. Continuing to post in a thread where you have clearly made your dissatisfaction about how it is evolving known does little but contribute to the very same problems you are complaining about. You've made your point and views known, we got it the first time (same goes for a few others).

3. It is ironic that some of you are essentially complaining about how this thread seems to lean against "free speech" (in what is only a semi-public forum by the way; Cain always has final say here. His forums, his games, his rules---this is something else many of you don't seem to grasp), yet call for closing the thread because people say something, anything that you personally don't find to be relevant.

4. The best way for a thread to die other than someone closing it is to LET IT DIE. If you want this one to go away, stop posting here. Clean and simple. As I said, many of you have made your points known already. Why go back to the same points without adding something constructive? Or if you do add something, it's interesting the kind of things that are added.

Take your last post Deadly: you call for others to apologize--thankfully you don't name names, so you're not quite calling a kettle black or becoming an arbiter of courtesy. You mention racism and how you would never post something, while at the very same time posting that very same thing in enough detail for everyone to see what you meant. Was the detail of that truly necessary?

I think some of you need to step back, chill out a bit, and think about your own actions before you jump in and criticize others. This goes for everyone here, not just those complaining about off-topic posts, which may or may not have merits of their own.

I have little doubt this thread will be locked down if it continues on this trend, but some things needed to be said, and as mentioned, some of you really just don't seem to get the point of either forums in general, or the forums here subject to Cain's rules (and ONLY Cain's rules).

-Rand

[Trooper110]

He was not flamed. We wanted to know what he was posting about. It was out of context and no one but you and he had any idea what he meant. Most of us I believe pointed out that if he had an inside joke to share on a public community that he should do it through PMs or with you irl.

As far as this thread, I took it as a sarcastic shot at Cain and at this community, not an apology. I could be completely off and wrong on that. Rather than see this turn in to the giant "this place is horrible because I and others can't say whatever we want thread" some people decided to post in lighthearted fun. I see nothing wrong with that. This place is not always the most serious as you should well know, and this topic/thread could have very very rapidly gone down hill in to squabbling and arguing if "freedom of speech" had become the topic.

[{CLR} Major.Massacre]

See, the problem is, the original post wasn't an apology, it was a snarky comment with no purpose other than to attempt to stir up trouble. Blackarrow's original reply to the post makes reference to what happened.

Had Needle posted something racist that would need to be deleted, he would have been banned. You know the rules on that.

What some of you fail to realize is that you are contributing to the very thing you are taking issue with: sidetracking the conversation and contributing to "spam." The comments regarding pie and the like were made to bring a more light-hearted tone to the thread, some even with good intentions of trying to diffuse the thread before it got to the point it needed to be closed.

Have you not noticed that many of the off-topic posts are following some of the posts that acquire, shall we say, a somewhat stringent tone against off-topic posts? Did you all stop to wonder why that may be the case? In some cases, they seem to me to be an anti-pomposity measure.

Other comments are the natural evolution of a thread. Some of you just need to understand a bit more about how internet forums tend to evolve, and how this thread itself evolved.

1. Threads often drift into other topics. This in and of itself often leads to more interesting threads than the original topic could ever lead to, and this in and of itself is why some of us love this place.

2. Continuing to post in a thread where you have clearly made your dissatisfaction about how it is evolving known does little but contribute to the very same problems you are complaining about. You've made your point and views known, we got it the first time (same goes for a few others).

3. It is ironic that some of you are essentially complaining about how this thread seems to lean against "free speech" (in what is only a semi-public forum by the way; Cain always has final say here. His forums, his games, his rules---this is something else many of you don't seem to grasp), yet call for closing the thread because people say something, anything that you personally don't find to be relevant.

4. The best way for a thread to die other than someone closing it is to LET IT DIE. If you want this one to go away, stop posting here. Clean and simple. As I said, many of you have made your points known already. Why go back to the same points without adding something constructive? Or if you do add something, it's interesting the kind of things that are added.

Take your last post Deadly: you call for others to apologize--thankfully you don't name names, so you're not quite calling a kettle black or becoming an arbiter of courtesy. You mention racism and how you would never post something, while at the very same time posting that very same thing in enough detail for everyone to see what you meant. Was the detail of that truly necessary?

I think some of you need to step back, chill out a bit, and think about your own actions before you jump in and criticize others. This goes for everyone here, not just those complaining about off-topic posts, which may or may not have merits of their own.

I have little doubt this thread will be locked down if it continues on this trend, but some things needed to be said, and as mentioned, some of you really just don't seem to get the point of either forums in general, or the forums here subject to Cain's rules (and ONLY Cain's rules).

-Rand+1 Now wheres that pic of the Ass Fudge?:?

[Todd98]

I like Turtles

We have turtles at work in the drainage ditches,There fun too watch & feed.:luvu:

[Tuck]

I think this type of problem (and this type of thread) could be averted simply by more communication. If an admin censors a poster or deletes a post or closes a thread, I think they should give a brief explanation why. Granted, sometimes they do, but (apparently) other times they do not. It would only take a few seconds to shoot the poster a PM saying "Hey, I edited your post in the xxxxxxx thread because it could be construed as a racial insult." My point is, people get insulted when they get censored. A little explanation why the post/thread was edited would go a long way.

While I'm on the subject, there is something else that bothers me, albeit very mildly. We see on this Board repeated comments that liken this Board and the gaming servers to a dictatorship. I think it's unfair to ask the community for donations, and then to essentially say all decisions are made at the sole discretion of one person and no one else's opinions matter. I've never heard Cain say "it's my way or the highway," but I've seen numerous posters write similar things, many, many times.

I understand this Board isn't a democracy, per se, and Cain's decisions are final. But I've also seen him ask the opinions of the community many times, too. Surely this Board isn't the autocracy some claim. Is it?

BTW, I appreciate the admins for NOT closing this thread. While it's value is certainly debatable, the simple fact that this thread is allowed to continue shows that this Board is not a censorship happy zone.

[Trooper110]

Tuck, I know I've posted before along the lines that this is Cain's Lair, his rules. For the most part people are allowed to do and post as they wish though. There are certain rules that you need to follow, but their are gray areas as well. I've posted in to the gray areas, I've had some that weren't mod'd and some that were. I've had remarks added to my posts, I've had PMs sent to me, and I've seen nothing go up. Honestly, it doesn't bother me. You just have to let it roll off your back and move on. Heck, look how often I still post. Cain asks for opinions, he listens to us when we ask or request things, and he's a great host/admin/whatever you want to call him. I may disagree with one person on one thing, another on something else, and still be friends with them here on the forums. You just have to understand that in the end it's Cain's Lair, he has final say, and he wants this to be the best community that it can. With that in mind, I'm happy to have my posts mod'd if I have crossed over that line in to the dark or grayer area of things.

[Tuck]

Tuck, I know I've posted before along the lines that this is Cain's Lair, his rules. For the most part people are allowed to do and post as they wish though. There are certain rules that you need to follow, but their are gray areas as well. I've posted in to the gray areas, I've had some that weren't mod'd and some that were. I've had remarks added to my posts, I've had PMs sent to me, and I've seen nothing go up. Honestly, it doesn't bother me. You just have to let it roll off your back and move on. Heck, look how often I still post. Cain asks for opinions, he listens to us when we ask or request things, and he's a great host/admin/whatever you want to call him. I may disagree with one person on one thing, another on something else, and still be friends with them here on the forums. You just have to understand that in the end it's Cain's Lair, he has final say, and he wants this to be the best community that it can. With that in mind, I'm happy to have my posts mod'd if I have crossed over that line in to the dark or grayer area of things.

Good comments, Trooper. Thanks for your perspective. I've never had a post edited, but I'm also pretty careful about what I write. But if I were to break the rules, I would expect someone to correct me. Of course, I'd also like to have an explanation. I'm no angel, but usually when I break a rule it's due to ignorance, not malice.

All corrective and/or punitive actions should come with explanations, whether it's between a government and its citizens, a boss and his employees, or an admin and his posters. At least IMO.

[Rand{CLR}]

While I'm on the subject, there is something else that bothers me, albeit very mildly. We see on this Board repeated comments that liken this Board and the gaming servers to a dictatorship. I think it's unfair to ask the community for donations, and then to essentially say all decisions are made at the sole discretion of one person and no one else's opinions matter. I've never heard Cain say "it's my way or the highway," but I've seen numerous posters write similar things, many, many times.

I understand this Board isn't a democracy, per se, and Cain's decisions are final. But I've also seen him ask the opinions of the community many times, too. Surely this Board isn't the autocracy some claim. Is it?

This raises a good point, or rather two. In answer to the final question first, no but with a caveat. Cain is never dictatorial, but he will take actions that he thinks are right, which is his perogative as the owner.

He allows a great deal of flexibility and initiative, more so than most other places, and you're right, he does ask for input often, and that's part of why the community is great. I will also add that like Twinky and many others, I too have had posts removed with no explanation. It happens, even to other admins, so please don't think this is just limited to regulars and other non-admin posters. I will also say there have been times when posts have been edited for no reason of substance. Admins who have done that can be removed from their responsibilities. Cain holds us to high standards.

So it's an autocracy in that Cain has the final say. But the boards typically function in a more free-flowing manner. It's not really Democracy per se, more like a philosophicracy, with ideas being tossed back and forth. But we can't say, vote for a new leader and expect it to work. :wink:

On the point of donations, well, they're just that: donations. People are free to donate if they have the means and desire. We don't pressure anyone for donations (or on the few times we do, it's ALWAYS in a joking manner). And Cain is quick to refund folks who have donated who say, quit or are banned, and want their money back. You should not link donations to anything that happens here on the forums, and nobody should think that a) donations are solicited through any kind of pressure, or b) just because you donated doesn't give you a right to expect something to change (a game staying longer, a new map), or that you are no longer subject to any rules here. The reason why some admins like myself have donate links in our siggies is just to express support for the Lair, again with no pressure.

Anyway, thanks for the post Tuck. Hope this clears something up anyway. :D

-Rand

[BigTwinky]

Good posting guys. This is the type of thread that is interesting to read.

Started off rocky, but its slowly being filled with valid points, issues, questions, some answers and so on.

:2thumbs:

[Tuck]

This raises a good point, or rather two. In answer to the final question first, no but with a caveat. Cain is never dictatorial, but he will take actions that he thinks are right, which is his perogative as the owner.

He allows a great deal of flexibility and initiative, more so than most other places, and you're right, he does ask for input often, and that's part of why the community is great. I will also add that like Twinky and many others, I too have had posts removed with no explanation. It happens, even to other admins, so please don't think this is just limited to regulars and other non-admin posters. I will also say there have been times when posts have been edited for no reason of substance. Admins who have done that can be removed from their responsibilities. Cain holds us to high standards.

So it's an autocracy in that Cain has the final say. But the boards typically function in a more free-flowing manner. It's not really Democracy per se, more like a philosophicracy, with ideas being tossed back and forth. But we can't say, vote for a new leader and expect it to work. :wink:

On the point of donations, well, they're just that: donations. People are free to donate if they have the means and desire. We don't pressure anyone for donations (or on the few times we do, it's ALWAYS in a joking manner). And Cain is quick to refund folks who have donated who say, quit or are banned, and want their money back. You should not link donations to anything that happens here on the forums, and nobody should think that a) donations are solicited through any kind of pressure, or b) just because you donated doesn't give you a right to expect something to change (a game staying longer, a new map), or that you are no longer subject to any rules here. The reason why some admins like myself have donate links in our siggies is just to express support for the Lair, again with no pressure.

Anyway, thanks for the post Tuck. Hope this clears something up anyway. :D

-Rand

I appreciate your comments, Rand. They do help clarify things a bit. Thanks for taking the time.

[K PhaNTOM]

Good posting guys. This is the type of thread that is interesting to read.

Started off rocky, but its slowly being filled with valid points, issues, questions, some answers and so on.

:2thumbs:

:mutley: man u cooooorazy :twisted:

[mapes]

I've been redacted one or two times. Once was deserved although I felt some umbrage because others who posted before me had said as much off color remarks as I and I was the only edited post. So I deserved it in that one..I just felt singled out.

However one time was infuriating. I was commenting on a news story about the *irate bay. It was edited with the comment "We don't condone piracy" Uhhh yeah I wasn't inducing anyone to the act of piracy. I was commenting on a news story that's front page news. That was lame and overbearing

The other thing that's odd is the "no other servers" rule. Really? I thought the whole point of this community was "THE FACT THAT ITS A GREAT COMMUNITY". Are the powers that be really afraid people would leave for other servers? That is the only reason I can think of. It just seems kinda odd to be pushing a great community and yet be afraid of of some other server. This is generally is a great community and why even bother worrying about it I guess is what I'm trying to say.

[Hammy]

+1 Now wheres that pic of the Ass Fudge?:?


ROFL LMAO-

SEE??!!! Now THAT is what I am talking about, SON!!!

===========

And by the way, you cannot be redacted unless someone republished the work from which they omitted content. Locked or deletion of the entire content is not redaction. ;) I know what you mea- just razzin the fuzz.

On what you said here:


The other thing that's odd is the "no other servers" rule. Really? I thought the whole point of this community was "THE FACT THAT ITS A GREAT COMMUNITY". Are the powers that be really afraid people would leave for other servers? That is the only reason I can think of. It just seems kinda odd to be pushing a great community and yet be afraid of of some other server. This is generally is a great community and why even bother worrying about it I guess is what I'm trying to say.

I actually see your point, and after thinking about it I came up with my own opinion on this. The no other servers rule covers a great many things from a philisophical perspective as well as a rules and control perspective (in my own opinion).

1. It keeps the line in the sand clear, and the rules of one community don't get associated with another. Pirate communities are great examples, being that they often carry avenues to pornography, illegal drugs, theft, hacking, and other issues of morality that Cains Lair is void of today.

2. It filters out the trolls. I dont think this needs an explaination. We are a community based on Online games, and those games lead to other communal conversations, but it is the servers that we host that fuses us togeather- like glue in between tiles. Other game servers, other communities, and etc- well they just dont have a podium here.

3. The fact that we dont have fear is a good point. You suggest there is a fear of churn, that we will lose people via isolation. The exact opposite is true- I think the strength here is that we actually dont care. We extend the freedom and if that takes you elsewhere, so be it. No fear, we are actually comfortable with the confidence that you will Come for the Games, but stay for the people.

4. We can't risk sponsorship, directly or indirectly, because of point #1. When it is allowed to have people post links and drivers to alternate community ecosystems, what happens there is partially our own responsibility. People may not agree with me here, but from my own perspective, sponsorship is like my word- and if Cains Lair loses that credibility and respectibility (because some jack steered people to a site that hacks their computers and steals CC and other personal information via our board) then we are SOL and this family dies.

I can keep going, but I think it is enough to show you what I think, and why I value that rule.

[EDIT: I just re-read this post and I need a freakin hug...**sniff**]

~Hammy

[TEAMKILLERZ]

He allows a great deal of flexibility and initiative, more so than most other places, and you're right, he does ask for input often, and that's part of why the community is great. I will also add that like Twinky and many others, I too have had posts removed with no explanation. It happens, even to other admins, so please don't think this is just limited to regulars and other non-admin posters. I will also say there have been times when posts have been edited for no reason of substance. Admins who have done that can be removed from their responsibilities. Cain holds us to high standards.



-Rand

thats one of the things I love about this community in particular is that you actually know some of the people on the message boards. It actually feels like a community, not like some random meetings with guys flaming each other for no reason.

[{CLR}geneSW]

thats one of the things I love about this community in particular is that you actually know some of the people on the message boards. It actually feels like a community, not like some random meetings with guys flaming each other for no reason.

Lets put it like this... I have 3 families. My family here at home, My Air Force family, and then my family here at Cain's. If it wasn't for the great atmosphere that Cain had built here in the first place I wouldn't have stayed. It's a great place and his rules keep this place feeling like a community. They are tried and true rules.

[Cain]

Hammy, your four points summarized EXACTLY why I do not allow discussion of other game servers around here, and at one time or another all of your points had been an issue, BEFORE I made a rule to not discuss other servers and their communities here or in my servers themselves.

As I like to say, Nobody would expect to see K-Mart ads inside a Target Store, and a Target employee or manager would not stand there and watch a Kmart employee post Kmart adds all over the inside of the Target store.

There is nothing that ticks me off more than a few punks coming into one of my busy servers and saying "Hey guys come play in my server!!"..... Almost every Admin will kick or ban people for advertising in their server, as they should.

:2thumbs:

[Hawkeye426]

I've been redacted one or two times. Once was deserved although I felt some umbrage because others who posted before me had said as much off color remarks as I and I was the only edited post. So I deserved it in that one..I just felt singled out.

However one time was infuriating. I was commenting on a news story about the *irate bay. It was edited with the comment "We don't condone piracy" Uhhh yeah I wasn't inducing anyone to the act of piracy. I was commenting on a news story that's front page news. That was lame and overbearing

The other thing that's odd is the "no other servers" rule. Really? I thought the whole point of this community was "THE FACT THAT ITS A GREAT COMMUNITY". Are the powers that be really afraid people would leave for other servers? That is the only reason I can think of. It just seems kinda odd to be pushing a great community and yet be afraid of of some other server. This is generally is a great community and why even bother worrying about it I guess is what I'm trying to say.

Mapes I'm with you 100%, this community is great, and simply discussing other servers will not make people leave this one. In my mind we should not fear other servers, as they do not try to "steal" gamers from this community, and I see no logical reason as to why one is forced to discuss such matters by PM. Obviously this discussion of foreign content could become a problem, however so can many other topics, which is why we have moderators. In response to Cain's comments I would just like to say that in my opinion while in the game servers I fully support this policy, I simply cannot agree with it in the forums, especially when the forign server in question runs a game that Cain does not. Just my 2c

[Cain]

There is always plenty of discussion of servers for games I do not run.

[K PhaNTOM]

this thing is still going on lol? move on people.

[BigTwinky]

There is always plenty of discussion of servers for games I do not run.


I remember when Cain first ran his TF2 server and then took it down to make room for newer games. People started posting which servers they preferred to play on post-Cain's to ensure that the CLR community is still sticking together.

No issues with posting servers names of games that are not run here.

[Hammy]

Im offended that your offended by screaming.:D


Im offended by the level of fudge you bring to the table.

[Hammy]

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[mapes]

And by the way, you cannot be redacted unless someone republished the work from which they omitted content. Locked or deletion of the entire content is not redaction. ;) I know what you mea- just razzin the fuzz.



~Hammy

They edited (i.e republished) my post. The thread wasn't locked or deleted

HA:D

[Dead_And_Gone]

It has always struck me funny to see people come HERE, and play HERE, and advertise Their server. Why aren't they Playing on Their server? :twisted:

I often see people from clans and such come Here to play. What happened to Their server? We don't care, as long as they play fair, just strikes me as funny. :)

If a Server owner is running any games that Cain supports, then you should not advertise that server, even it is for a game that Cain is not running. Example: If they ran BF2142 only, that would be fine. If they ran BF2142 AND Crysis, then that is not Kosher to advertise their server or home page.

We have an astounding amount of diversity here at the Lair. Polka Dot, Striped, Green, or whatever, come play and have fun.
Very few rules, many happy people, Good Times. :2thumbs:

[{CLR} Major.Massacre]

Im offended by the level of fudge you bring to the table.:shock:I'm offended that your offended that mapes cant produce that damn assfudge picture in a timely fashion.

[K PhaNTOM]

:shock:I'm offended that your offended that mapes cant produce that damn assfudge picture in a timely fashion.

I'm offended that I have to check this thread 300 more times..... :D


Woot, a spam post :D :D :D

[mapes]

:shock:I'm offended that your offended that mapes cant produce that damn assfudge picture in a timely fashion.

Dude you are seriously starting to worry me

http://gallery.mapes-net.org/main.php/d/1419-5/ags.jpg

[Trooper110]

You know he has some at home :D

[{CLR} Major.Massacre]

You know he has some at home :DWe all know that your out of it... the assfudge that is.:twisted:

[Trooper110]

Darn right....no one's been packing it for me....and no one will be!

Got something to tell us Mass? :D

[Hammy]

The Ass Fudge is a Lie!!

[Trooper110]

No, the cake is a lie! The ass fudge is something mapes and Mass seem to like talking to each other about.....

[{CLR} Major.Massacre]

Darn right....no one's been packing it for me....and no one will be!

Got something to tell us Mass? :DKeep dreaming.:roll:

[mapes]

No, the cake is a lie! The ass fudge is something mapes and Mass seem to like talking to each other about.....


Nope Mass is the one asking for it all of the time ....uh I guess since I'm giving it to him that looks bad on me....:flee:

[juneau]

Interesting........ :D

[Caddys83]

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:peek: Just reading and post count :D

[Trooper110]

Thanks for stopping by Caddys83....maybe if you play your cards right Mass will share some of mapes' ass fudge with you :D

Oh man, I really really don't want to know....

[{CLR} Major.Massacre]

Thanks for stopping by Caddys83....maybe if you play your cards right Mass will share some of mapes' ass fudge with you :D

Oh man, I really really don't want to know....You keep harping on about it. Maybe its time you stepped out of the closet?:roll:

[Gimmie2]

You keep harping on about it. Maybe its time you stepped out of the closet?:roll:

:lol2:

[Toryu72]

That was funny :twisted::twisted: