Who wants fall of berlin gone?

[Rubixcube]

I'm sick of this map. The only way to get past the EU defenses is by roofing and pod surfing. That makes a lot of people mad when you do it and this map is just unfair anyways. I say we replace it with a better map.

And if you don't play CQ please don't vote.

[The_Crazy_Ace]

Put Suez Conquest in it's place. Full spectrum warfare maps rock.

[Gaius]

I've always disliked this map since the first few times I played it. Suez Canal sounds like a fantastic replacement imo. Plenty of room to...ye know strategize.

[<=CGA=>Kineo]

Awe shucks guys, Fall of Berlin is a great knifing map..LOL. I am fine with using Suez Canal as a replacement. Last time I played conquest on Suez I got my butt handed to me... Excellent map though.

[sopek_]

:o UMM... NO :o

One of the reason I got the game is to play FoB

I win *Most* :D of the time when I'm in the PAC team.

I dont' get why people hate it. :? ('could it be the spawn killing?')

Not to mention most of the time Rubix your in the EU team, against SOPEK! :2thumbs:

[Master_Chief_Alpha]

I win *Most* :D of the time when I'm in the PAC team.


That is why people hate it.

It seems to be one sided

[sopek_]

:D joking :D
you don't play conquest do you??

Everyone hates being the PAC team. its the green team that has only one FLAG.

*MOST* the eu team wins. <---thats is why people hate it.

Some how I always end up in the PAC and win IN FoB

SO,

It seems to be one sided

Is not true at all...

[Rand{CLR}]

And if you don't play CQ please don't vote.

Now why would you want to limit your poll like this? Just for that, I won't vote in your poll...despite the fact that I hate Fall of Berlin, and one of the reasons WHY I don't play much of Cain's Conquest server is that I feel the inclusion of all the infantry-centric, EU-unbalanced maps makes for a poor rotation.

So, NO VOTE FOR YOU! :twisted:

-Rand

[CarbonFire]

SO,

It seems to be one sided

Is not true at all...

Well, let's take a look at WHY that may be true:

I had trouble answering this thread. :? So let me say it briefly and straight the point: twisted:

Supposedly it was addressed in v1.20 in stairway to heaven.

This is an exploit that cannot be removed unless you remove the pod.

Does it break the balance of the map?

Not in the conquest mode. Especially in the three map we play. Rather
than being frustrated in fall of Berlin or Camp berlingart a person that can surf to the next flag and capture surely help balance the game.

I think everyones been in the PAC team were it seem you’re the only one doing work while everyone is running with their head cut off, around the crossroads.

One pod per person. Those few surfers can not take on the whole map by themselves. “<--read between the lines. :idea: ”

The way I see it is
IF you can bunny hop SO can I.

So FoB is balanced....as long as you bypass the defenses of the enemy using a " special case" usage of the SL beacon pods. When people don't use it, primarily it IS an EU-biased slaughterfest.

I'm firmly in the "drop FoB from the rotation" camp. I've NEVER liked it, but for the most part tolerated it. I'm with you Rand, FoB is one of the reasons I don't frequent the CQ server :|

[Rubixcube]

And if you don't play CQ please don't vote.

So, NO VOTE FOR YOU! :twisted:

-Rand

Yeah I'm really broken up about that....

And while you can pod surf we should get a map where you don't have to do that. More people would play.... Maybe more donations?....Tempting?...

[TheProphet2213]

one, sided slaughter match... nuff said.

[KJHenf]

I'd support Suez, maybe it wouldnt lag as bad as titan servers and I'd wander on back to playing occasionaly... :D
AND theres gunships on Suez! :2thumbs:

[marvindecrain]

Suez Canal as CQ is IMO awsome map... ful of tanks, gunships and walkers etc...
There is something for every1 :D

[Murder Simulator]

You want an unfair, one sided map? Camp G should be the one getting removed.

On that map the only way to win is to hop in a jeep and run like hell behind enemy lines. If you can't get out of the starting point you are screwed.

FoB is tolerable because the sniping is still good no matter what side you are on. Rooftop sniping is pretty legit in my mind, but podding across the map is a no no.

[Rubixcube]

FoB is tolerable because the sniping is still good no matter what side you are on. Rooftop sniping is pretty legit in my mind, but podding across the map is a no no.


Well not everyone likes to snipe

[&lt;=CGA=&gt;Kineo]

Well if you look at most of the conquest maps they start one team off with only two flags and FoB is the only one that has only one flag. Conquest is always one sided when it comes to how many control points each team has. I guess that is why the call it conquest. I played conquest with EU on FoB and sometimes we owned em and sometimes we failed, all depends on who you have for players.

[Rubixcube]

Well if you look at most of the conquest maps they start one team off with only two flags and FoB is the only one that has only one flag. Conquest is always one sided when it comes to how many control points each team has. I guess that is why the call it conquest. I played conquest with EU on FoB and sometimes we owned em and sometimes we failed, all depends on who you have for players.

No, the map I liked was Belgrade. Everyone spawns and runs into a major battle in the middle of the map. I loved that map, I want Suez or Belgrade to replace it, like many others.

[RRRoamer]

I hated FoB at first, but now I like it. I've played both sides any number of times. Frankly, if the PAC have a couple of GOOD squads, then they can definitely own EU. If they don't....

But it wouldn't bug me much to see FoB dropped to make way for another map (or two? Please?). The rotation IS getting a bit stale.

[Rubixcube]

The rotation IS getting a bit stale.

A BIT??

[fishbiter]

Down With FOB

[Rubixcube]

Down With FOB

:2thumbs:

And some people say that if the PAC has a couple of good squads then the EU doesn't stand a chance....which is BS. What if the EU has good squads too? And any noob can drop some mines.

[sopek_]

Carbon---> that's hitting below the belt

despite what people say I'm no good in pod surfing.Not to mention I can only fly 1 FoB building distance.

I Caputer those FLAGs fair and Square. To SAY i use the SL beaon is insult.
I play all my kits in every round of FoB or C.G. to bipass the combat lines.which means using the apc ,clearing the mines for the apc, cloaking my way through crossroad, or killing anyone that crosses my path.

I ROCK that battlefield and gain my points in the ground not in the rooftops.
SO,
I don't need a' "special case" I just TEAM up with good players and WE change the map around.

the only way you can win FoB and C.G. is by team work.

like I said before ONLY one person fits on the pod, that pod surfer can not take the map by himself.



:2thumbs: :2thumbs:

[SScamaro68]

The rotation IS getting a bit stale.

agreed

[Rubixcube]

like I said before ONLY one person fits on the pod, that pod surfer can not take the map by himself.

:2thumbs: :2thumbs:

Ever played with WW HTwo? He surfs all the way to the back base and captures it... He kind of does take the map by himself.

[KJHenf]

I played a round of Suez on a different server and at one point there were 2 gunships at least 4 tanks and 3 walkers on one team. :D

[RuThLeSsKiLLa]

i enjoy playing FoB. for me i find it more challenging being on the PAC team and more teamwork is involved to prevail. squad leading is always best. just take a look at my stat on FoB. its pretty decent 33/18 and i say keep it, but then again im out number here as in the battlefield when i ran by myself, it seen people dont like it as much here. how about we add another map to the rotation, since 3maps isnt enough. maybe go for Belgrade. good map :)

[thedeadlyassassin]

I said yes because I was thinking of others and I only voted because I DID play conquest when I DID play 2142, but I'm sure things didn't change. The map was fun, if you were the APC and your allies understood you were the source of defense for the EU. And there was ALWAYS base raping. So, I think it should be out, wasn't that fun of a map if the APC's knew how to use their vehicle.

[CarbonFire]

Carbon---> that's hitting below the belt

despite what people say I'm no good in pod surfing.Not to mention I can only fly 1 FoB building distance.

I Caputer those FLAGs fair and Square. To SAY i use the SL beaon is insult.
I play all my kits in every round of FoB or C.G. to bipass the combat lines.which means using the apc ,clearing the mines for the apc, cloaking my way through crossroad, or killing anyone that crosses my path.

I ROCK that battlefield and gain my points in the ground not in the rooftops.
SO,
I don't need a' "special case" I just TEAM up with good players and WE change the map around.

the only way you can win FoB and C.G. is by team work.

like I said before ONLY one person fits on the pod, that pod surfer can not take the map by himself.



:2thumbs: :2thumbs:
I wasn't trying to call you out on pod usage sopek_, I was just trying to make a point. Yes, exceptional teamwork can and does make a difference on maps like FoB and Camp G. The argument for/against the usage of pod sliding/swimming/whatever is that it allows someone to go to where there is little defense and bypass the defenders completely, WITHOUT having to use teamwork. I was just using your previous quote in the other thread as an example, not trying to point fingers here :)

Often times, against a GOOD EU team on FoB, there simply is no other recourse (especially if the PAC team is not of equal caliber). It is true, one person by themselves isn't going to take all the points and win the game. But it takes only one person getting behind enemy lines to completely open up a map and change the flow of a game. But more often than not theres just nothing the EU can do about it on maps like FoB, Camp G and Cerbere Landing to stop the people from getting behind enemy lines using this technique.

It looks like the voting is split down the middle, not exactly surprising really. Problem is, no matter what people may think of this map, its inherent flaws and unbalanced nature will remain an issue. I guess we'll see how things play out...

[Dead_And_Gone]

SL takes a pod and surfs to the far flag, puts a beacon down, and THEN takes the flag.. 2 spawn points now at your back.

Who says 1 person can't totally alter the balance of a game?

Camp G couple days ago, I thought we were at the Flying Pod Circus.. lol
Doesn't have air assets, but don't need them as long as half the Other (PAC) team looked to be flying every which way. They even podded to the tower at our base. Then continued to pod surf/attack on FoB.

Needless to say, we got our rears handed to us. It wasn't a breakout so much as a Raw Beating to the EU side.

Yesterday was on EU side FoB briefly, and the totally inept use of the APC and Walker caused a melt-down for EU. Wasn't pod surfing that time, just plain old whoop butt, better squad/team play on PAC side. Couple days ago, the Driver in the APC refused to move until everyone but him and his buddy were leftt. Sat there until we were less than 280 points left. He lasted 45 seconds once everyone finally bailed. Without the APC keeping rushes confined, they made short work of us. Nasty..

It still comes down to team/squad play. Joined a PAC squad and 2 were in alley, 2 were trying the north slope, noone was talking.. And that was the BEST squad theat was there.. lol EU had to only be barely living to win easily. So Sad.. Don't understand lone wolf squaddies. contradiction in terms.

[Runaway_Jim]

I think it should be replaced with Suez CQ. Great map! If you want to keep it infantry, then put Tunis Harbor in. I love that map... had some excellent firefights on it.

[gti420]

I wanted to make this thread but wasn't sure if I should. Glad you did. I vote bye bye FoB and hello Belgrade

[{CLR} Naillik]

:o UMM... NO :o

One of the reason I got the game is to play FoB

I win *Most* :D of the time when I'm in the PAC team.

I dont' get why people hate it. :? ('could it be the spawn killing?')

Not to mention most of the time Rubix your in the EU team, against SOPEK! :2thumbs:
:P you always drive into the pac uncap with the apc... :P :P
I want it gone. Forever